Freedom Of Religion
Every morning I drive by our local Catholic church on my way to work. They have a reader board out by the road, whose message changes weekly. For the last week I have been greeted with “Catholics can come home” each day. It started me thinking about how we will raise Ava with regard to religion and spirituality.
Neither Darin nor I are what you would call deeply religious people. We don’t attend church; we don’t read the bible regularly, although we do own one. But we are both spiritual people, believing in a sense of right and wrong. We both firmly believe in the Karma bus. If you treat someone badly, it will back up and run over you.
I was allowed to find my own way with regard to religion. My mother was born and raised Catholic in her native Germany. Once she moved to US she wasn’t as active in church. My dad was raised Baptist. Not just any Baptist. Southern Baptist. But he moved away, joined the Army and was no longer immersed in the culture. Maybe because of that, that loosening of their own religious affiliations, they were open to me exploring things for myself. Which I did. I went to Baptist churches, Methodist churches, Episcopalian, Lutheran. You name it, I tried it out. I encountered preachers who shouted, sometimes into microphones. I encountered gossip. I encountered people acting as though they were the most pious on earth, even though I knew what kind of person they were the other six days of the week. In short, what I discovered was that church wasn’t so much about religion as it was about being a social event. One in which you were dissected, examined, discussed. What you wore. Where you sat. Who you sat with. Sounds a lot like high school, doesn’t it? But I digress. In short, I wasn’t finding a place that felt good to me. My mother suggested I try the local Catholic church, which was fairly new to our area. I was hesitant, considering my past experience. But I figured I would give it one last shot before I gave up just started worshipping money like everyone else. To my surprise, it was different. Less….preachy. More about treating your fellow man with respect. I immediately felt at home. So I stayed. And I kept coming back. That is the short story of my Catholic background. It did change over the years. Slowly the gossip crept in. The social aspect.
After moving to Oregon, I didn’t continue going to church. Lots of reasons. Fear of the unknown. Knowing the churches here were so much bigger than the one I was used to. Plus, I was very busy being all giddy and in love. You know that first year or so of a relationship? Where you love someone so much you want to Velcro yourselves to them so you can be with them all the time. Oh. You never thought of that? I guess that was just me. I digress again.
Darin wasn’t a churchgoer either. From what I gather, it wasn’t a regular part of his life growing up. He holds strong beliefs on God, and has the same spiritual outlook that I do, for the most part. Neither one of us have set foot in a church, other than for a wedding or a funeral in 10 years. To be honest, I have no desire to. I no longer see a need to belong to organized religion. I no longer see a need to be part of something that long ago became more about money and power than it did about spiritual growth. I read a great quote many years ago. I don’t remember who said it, but it always stuck with me. “Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.” I cannot agree with that more.
What all this has led up to is this: I want to let Ava grow up and decide for herself if religion is right for her. I hope to instill in her the same values that her father and I share. I hope she believes there is something out there bigger than us. I hope she treats people with respect, understanding and tolerance. Not because someone is watching, but because it’s the right thing to do. I will encourage her to explore and learn, if she chooses. I will respect her right to not believe in any God, if that is her choice. I want to give her the same freedoms my parents gave to me, so many years ago.




This is a great post and that quote said it perfectly. I couldn’t agree with it more. I struggle with religion because I was raised Catholic, but neither of my parents went to church unless for wedding, communions, etc. We went through the motions, baptized Haley and sent her to Catholic school. When she was in 1st grade we started seeing the cliques, etc and I know that can happen in any school but it was more so forced by the mothers and I was determined to open her to more than just 1 religion. She asked to make her communion so we let her and that was that. Now with Rory, it’s tough. She just turned 1 and we get the “when are you going to baptise her” questions and I’m just not sure I can stand before a priest and promise to raise her Catholic when I don’t necessarily believe it’s for us.
sorry for the novel, but your post was refreshing
i was raised in church and still go to church and have my daughter in a christian school. it’s a big part of my life but OH the hypocrites that you encounter in church. every church has them. it’s hard to avoid. but i do think that you can go and be seperated from it…and that you can go to actually better yourself and NOT be a part of the drama. i like going to church. i like the fellowship and learning more and more. it’s been a part of my life since day one…i never went to public school…always christian school. and now i’m choosing it for myself. my sisters quit going. i’m the only kid that still goes and raises her kids that way. i guess what i’m getting at is that i’ll raise my girls the way i was raised BUT if they choose something else when they grow up i won’t disown them.
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Avasmommy Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Becky, I think it’s awesome that you like the fellowship and feel that way. I was never lucky enough to feel that. I guess my point is, I’d like to see respect for both sides. It’s such a deeply personal choice, and I don’t think anyone chooses lightly.
Jenna,
I think you said it perfectly. And I think there will be a lot more of us that come out of the woodwork & tell you how much we agree with you. In the almost 8 years that Chase & I have been together as a couple, I think the number of times we’ve been to a worship service together could be counted on one hand. Neither of our kids have been baptized, dedicated, or whatever you would like to call it. But we pray, we talk about religion, & we try to instill in our kids a sense of right & wrong & how you should treat others. If either of them ever expressed any interest in going to church we wouldn’t hesitate to take them.
This is an awesome post. You’ve said it perfectly.
I was raised by Catholic parents and had religion shoved down my throat. Once I got old enough, I chose to move away from organized religion. Bil and I are both spiritual, and will raise V that way, but I don’t think we need to belong to a church to do that.
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I completely agree with you (and totally love that quote!). I was raised in an Anglican home, went to church every Sunday with my family, and really loved it. However, I no longer go to church. When I moved away from home I didn’t find a church that felt like my small church back home did, I found the same things you did, cliques, hypocrisy and judgement. I just didn’t see the point in going.
My husband and I will raise our daughter to see the good in people, to not judge anyone by their “cover”, to be accepting, to give to others, to believe in the greater good. If at some point she wants to start going to church or explore other religions I will glad explore with her and encourage her to learn all she wants and make her own decisions.
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Loved this post, and love when I “connect” with other people who think similarly. My dad is a Protestant minister, and Hubs’ dad is an elder in the church. Growing up, we saw SO much of the drama and not-so-good stuff of the church. Politics, gossip, hurtfulness, hatefulness. And, yes, I know there are lots of good people there too.
Hubs & I both consider ourselves spiritual and we both believe in God/a higher power/*insert your personal deity name*. We also just don’t believe that you need to be in church to be spiritual or to live morally. We also have a lot of questions about the whole idea that “there’s only one way to heaven and if you don’t accept Christ you’re going to hell”, so that makes it difficult to embrace any one church. We’re trying to teach J about all beliefs and religions and to respect and show compassion for all people. We’re trusting that she’ll make her own informed choice someday.
My dad is still a minister. Hubs’ parents are still active in the church. Unfortunately, this causes a lot of strain/stress with our families. It was no big deal until J came along. Now, we feel a lot of pressure and disapproval/disappointment from them, and that’s really hard.
I love this line from your post: “I hope she treats people with respect, understanding and tolerance. Not because someone is watching, but because it’s the right thing to do.” That’s exactly what we hope for J.
Thanks for an awesome post.
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My husband and I both had bad experiences with church. I was raised Catholic until I was 7 years old when we started going to a local Methodist church. I spent a lot of time in church when I was young. My husband was raised Pentecostal, Southern Pentecostal. He is not into the church scene at all, he says he lived in the church growing up.
We both had situations in our lives where we should have been able to turn to the church or the people of the church and they were the ones who turned their backs on us or judged us the hardest. It affected him more than it affected me.
We raise our children to believe in God and every aspect of the spirituality as well as the whole Karma thing as you said. If my children asked to go to church I would take them but they do not ask to go.
My last experience with church reminded me a lot of high school as well. I actually smiled when you put that analogy because I have said and thought similar things.
I pray, I read the bible, I put a lot of my faith in God and Jesus but I don’t feel like I need organized religion to be a christian.
I think what ever you feel is best for you and your child is what is best for her.
If all how I feel makes me wrong, than I guess I am but I will let God judge that when the time comes.
On another note, loved your analogy of new love and Velcro yourself to them.
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I totally get this. My mom is Catholic, my dad is Methodist, so I grew up going to both churches (mostly Methodist). Oh, and I went to a Southern Baptist school for 12 years where I was told every day I was going to hell because my mom is Catholic, which just… WTF, man.
Dave was raised in the Anglican church in England (the equivalent of Episcopalian here). He was really involved in his church, and was even a volunteer youth pastor when he was in his early 20′s. But he had a bad experience there; a family at his church had a child with leukemia, and the church rallied around to support them. But when the child died, the church shunned the parents & said their child died because they didn’t have enough faith. Dave was disgusted (as is pretty much everyone I know who hears that story), he left the church, and he never looked back.
So, we don’t go to church. But I miss it. I don’t miss the gossip or the church ladies, but something about the routine, the music, the sermons. I want that back. Unfortunately, it means I’ll be taking our daughter to church by myself, because Dave refuses to go. It’s tough, trying to feel that out on my own.
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I think it’s all about finding a home church. Once you find your ‘home’ you’ll feel like every single person in that church is part of your very own family. They will call you when you’re sick. They will visit you when your child is in the hospital and they will pray with you when you are so worried that you can’t even breathe and no matter how busy you are, you’ll do the same in return.